From The News Herald:
“Resident Jennifer Czajka and her 3-year-old daughter were denied admittance to the city library’s computer lab recently because, librarian Jean Walker told her, “Things go on in there that children shouldn’t see.”
From The News Herald:
“Resident Jennifer Czajka and her 3-year-old daughter were denied admittance to the city library’s computer lab recently because, librarian Jean Walker told her, “Things go on in there that children shouldn’t see.”
If you will pardon the term, Bullshit!
“The American Library Association protects people.” That is the most fecking absurd statement I have heard uttered by a seemingly educated person in my entire life. The ALA does not protect anyone, and it most certainly does not protect three year olds from perverts.
If these idiot librarians think a library is like a city park, how would they feel if I masturbated in the park across from their house, or their child’s school, after all I am entitled to my privacy -even in a public space.
“Sometimes you have to use common sense.” Yet another quote that amuses me, these idiots fail to see that common sense dictates that perverts be discouraged from engaging in deviate and illegal behavior in the library. The library should be a safe place for a mother and her young child not a den of disgusting pedophiles, ephebophiles, and other various and sundry deviants who use library computers for their own sexual gratification.
If I were the mother who was turned away you can bet I would be camping on the mayor’s doorstep because perverts were arrested for acts they committed using library computers. The computers need to be in the open and viewable by passersby to shame those so perverse that they use public space, public resources and my tax dollars for abhorrent sexual deviance.
UGH!
I’m sorry, I’m having as strong a reaction to this as mdoneil. No pun intended, that’s just obscene that you can’t bring a kid under a certain age into the computer lab with you. I have said this before, but viewing pornography in public is illegal. I don’t give a rat’s ass about privacy in this regard. You want privacy? Get a magazine and do it at home! Sure, I don’t stare at people’s computer screens to see if they’re up to no good, but it only takes a passing glance as you walk by to at least register if something’s okay or if it’s flagrantly against policy.
When I’ve caught people in the act, I kick them off the computer for the day. First offense. If I catch them doing it again, they don’t get to use the computers anymore. Sorry.
I’d be ripped if I were that mother. My god, you can’t use the library to email your sister or look up information on EBSCO because there’s some idiot beside you looking at porn? Really, what are our priorities as librarians? Do we have to cater to the few that are ruining it for the many?
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Wrong! Pornography is protected speech. Viewing proscribably obscene material is illegal. Prove that the material being viewed is probscribably obscene before you kick people out just because you’re a hypersensitive wimp; otherwise you are violating their First Amendment rights.
I dare say that a fair amount of the material arbitrarily labelled “obscene” isn’t even “indecent” by U.S. Supreme Court standards.
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Actually, Fang-Face, you’re right… I looked and pornography has no true legal definition. I stand corrected and will from now on say, “Viewing proscribably obscene material is illegal”.
From now on, instead of saying my normal schtick, I’ll say, “I’m sorry sir/ma’am, you’re viewing proscribably obscene material in a place filled with small children and are fondling your genitalia vigorously through the pocket of your corduroys. Please desist immediately or you will no longer be allowed to utilize the library’s limited electronic resources.”
If that doesn’t scare them, or at least get them away from the, um, proscribably obscene material and towards the dictionaries, I don’t know what will.
Michigan law requires libraries to protect privacy
Actually, the ALA doesn’t protect library users’ privacy. Michigan law does.
MCL 397.603-604 states: “Unless ordered by a court after giving the affected library notice of the request and an opportunity to be heard on the request, a library or an employee or agent of a library shall not release or disclose a library record or portion of a library record to a person without the written consent of the person liable for payment for or return of the materials identified in that library record…A library or an agent or employee of a library which violates section 3 shall be liable to the person identified in a record that is improperly released or disclosed. The person identified may bring a civil action for actual damages or $250.00, whichever is greater; reasonable attorney fees; and the costs of bringing the action.”
Thus, Michigan libraries (and librarians, and library employees) are required, under the law, to protect a user’s records. They violate the law by disclosing the information without a court order. [And the Wyandotte detective who doesn’t understand why libraries can’t or won’t release records merely at his request needs to brush up on Michigan law outside the criminal code.]
One might more profitably ask under what authority the individual librarian barred the woman and her child from the library’s computer lab. What library policy authorized her to do that? On what grounds? Her own personal disapproval of the web sites some users view? Why doesn’t she address those “bad” users’ behaviors rather than refuse service to a “good” user? (According to the story, the library’s policy is to ask those viewing porn to leave the library – and it does not sound as if the library director or the library’s board authorized the librarian to prohibit users from the computer lab on the grounds that someone might, maybe, be violating the library’s policy on porn viewing.)
Other food for thought: the story fails to distinguish porn viewing from using emails or chat rooms to contact minors (and I think we can all admit that “porn viewer” does not automatically equal “pedophile”.) A user could be using an “innocent” web interface to troll for minors without raising any alarms with the librarians that are so concerned about porn.
The story also fails to inform the reader whether or not the arrests detailed in the story actually involved libraries or are merely examples of “what might be happening in the library because it’s happening in the outside world.”
Not the best example of factual, unbiased journalism from which to draw conclusions.
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Dude, if someone is fondling him- or herself that’s enough to call the cops and have them ticketed, if not taken out in handcuffs, for lewd behaviour. Do that a couple of times and the perp will go elsewhere. No warrants necessary, although you might be called on to testify if the perp contests the ticket or gets busted outright.
What, then, about the other libraries the perp will then go to? Organize! — for chris sake! You could probably do it by e-mail and MSN chat.
Put them away!
These sick people should be put away for good. They don’t deserve to live.