Free press, we don't need no stinking free press

Well Hugo 'Fidelito' Chavez has closedan opposition television station.

People protested in the streets. Chavez didn't have the protestors shot like he did after a demonstration in 2002.


Closing the TV stations, investigating newspapers and journalists, heck when are they going to start closing the libraries?


I wonder how Harry Belafonte and Danny Glover are going to get the media attention they so desire.


In case you have not been keeping up Venezuela's president is a lunatic Commie. He has people murdered. He makes more than opposition TV stations desaparece. This lunatic is now telling DishTV and other satellite TV owners that they are being spied upon by the US through their TVs.


How much longer are they going to put up with this nutjob?

Comments

Sadly a couple of stories were posted on ALAWORLD this morning in support of Chavez and his crackdown... so apparently the answer to 'how long' could be 'quite awhile'.

You know, mdoneil, your plaint might have more credibility if you opposed the human and civil rights violations of your own government. An illegal war of aggression, torture, nuclear and chemical warfare, etc ad nauseum.

And so what if Chavez actually were a communist? Why do right-wing nutjobs throw up that tired old hysteria whenever they want to smear someone and engage in fear mongering? Get a new tune why don't you?

War of aggression? is there another type? If there were a war of kisses and sunshine we would have tried that first.

Torture...the last bit I saw about torture were some lovely pastels of al-Qaida training manuals for torture. Perhaps you saw them - the eyeball gouging, drilling through people's hands sort of thing. Well then again there were those 42 mengo.com> freed by US and Iraqi troops last week. You remember the ones that were tortured by al-Qaida (you know the same al-Qaida that we are told is not in Iraq). Oh, you mean the pyramid of guys in the undershorts with a dog barking at them? That torture, sorry that was a high school prank compared to buring 14 year old children with bare electrical wires and suspending people from the rafters by their elbows. Oh and the high school pranksters - they have been and continue to be prosecuted for their ill advised shenanigans.

Nuclear and Chemical warfare. Hmmm.... don't recall the US using nuclear weapons since.... well WW II. You might have that confused with Russia who says they have a new ICBM that can penetrate any shield we have, or Iran who is enriching Uranium to produce fissile material and violating IAEA restrictions. Chemical weapons, nope you must have that confused with Hussein's gassing of thousands of innocent Kurds in Halajba... you know when the guy wiped out 40 villages including women and children.

I don't need a new tune, Chavez's abrogation of Human Rights is scary enough.

Tell me how can you possibly support the government takeover of a private television station. Sure... their license expired but you have to be realistic and note that their license had been renewed for 53 years previous until they reported the truth about the insane despot Chavez.

War of aggression? is there another type?

'Depends on which side you're on, I suppose. The U.S. acted in self-defence during World Wars I and II. It invaded countries to oust the occupying forces or, in the case of the aggressor countries, to bring about a decisive end to the war. Every other war your country has engaged in, except the Revolution and the Civil War, you were the agressor and had no just cause for those invasions.

If there were a war of kisses and sunshine we would have tried that first.

LOL!

You lie like a pig in shit. Your genocidal freak of a president made no effort whatever to get bin Laden out of Afghanistan through diplomacy, and your neo-con imperialists had been planning to use Bush as a figure-head and dupe to invade Iraq since before the 2000 election.

Torture...the last bit I saw about torture were some lovely pastels of al-Qaida training manuals for torture. Perhaps you saw them - the eyeball gouging, drilling through people's hands sort of thing.

Oh, you mean the CIA manuals? The same ones used at the School of the Amerikas at Fort Benning? The same one your puppet bin Laden was no doubt trained on? The ones which so lovingly describe waterboarding? I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next edition is printed with an introduction written by Gonzales, and which contains his memo in which he repudiates the Geneva Conventions.

Oh, wait, . . . that's one of the realities that the ultra-right denies, isn't it? Along with evolution?

Well then again there were those 42 men freed by US and Iraqi troops last week.

Forty-three lives saved versus the 600,000 innocents your illegal invasion and occupation has killed? And you count that as a plus?

You remember the ones that were tortured by al-Qaida (you know the same al-Qaida that we are told is not in Iraq).

They weren't in Iraq until President Howdy-doody opened the door for them by creating conditions conducive to the training and recruitment of terrorists in that theater of operations. Hussein's regime was stable the same way every tyranny is stable: competition is lethally discouraged. Bin Laden and al Qaida would have been competitors in pre-invasion Iraq.

And even though there might be al Qaida cells there now, they still can't be inflicting all that many casualties on their own. A terrorist organization is not an army in the usual sense. The resistance in Iraq -- and it is a resistance against an unwanted invader -- is being carried out by people who object to having their homeland shat all over by said invader.

Oh, you mean the pyramid of guys in the undershorts with a dog barking at them? That torture, sorry that was a high school prank compared to buring 14 year old children with bare electrical wires and suspending people from the rafters by their elbows.

Yes, yes, I'm sure you have a perfectly quasi-schizophrenic rationale for speciously justifying your government's crimes against humanity, and for living in a state of denial, but the whole point of my comments is that Imperialist Amerika is exactly the kind of murderous prick you are pretending to protect the world from. You don't have the moral high ground and never did. Even supposing a crime against humanity is worse as a matter of degree due to the juvenility of a set of victims, that does
not in any way, shape, or form, justify or excuse your committing the same kind of crimes.

Oh, and by the way, it has been documented that at least one of the "terrorists" who was tortured at Abu Ghraib was only fourteen. A "child" in the parlance of the right-wing nutjobs who are shitting their drawers because this banana-republic official Hugo Chavez is a greater humanitarian and christian than any of your presidential murderers.

Oh and the high school pranksters - they have been and continue to be prosecuted for their ill advised shenanigans.

You know, it's kind of funny -- funny peculiar, not funny "haw haw" -- how some of the Gestapo members who pulled the kind of "practical jokes" your military is now pulling were hanged for it, and you are trying to pass these crimes off as "high school pranks".

Nuclear and Chemical warfare. Hmmm.... don't recall the US using nuclear weapons since.... well WW II. You might have that confused with Russia who says they have a new ICBM that can penetrate any shield we have, or Iran who is enriching Uranium to produce fissile material and violating IAEA restrictions.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm talking about the Bush regime that is gearing up to piss away another bazillion tax-payer dollars to launch another arms race with a new generation of super-duper weapons that the U.S. doesn't need but which will have Bush shooting off in his shorts. In Iraq, however, the American Butcher of Baghdad has gone for a lower key, more subtle form of nuclear warfare. You'll have heard of it, of course, but, of course, you have to deny that it can be "real" nuclear warfare
since it only involves the pollution of the environment with radioactives, instead of big flashy explosions that instantly vaporize or incinerate thousands, and horrifically kills other thousands less quickly from the burns they inflict. The fissile weapon of choice is called depleted uranium, and the only thing it is depleted of is the weapons grade uranium your government is probably going to use to incinerate Iranian babies.

Who, oh, Who?! -- will think of the Iranian children?!

Ach! Who cares? They aren't even human since they aren't white, anglo-saxon, and christian, so burning them with nuclear fire so they can go burn in hell-fire is just good enough for them and they'll take it and like it. Right, mdoneil?

Iraqi pickaninnies, on the other hand, will just have to settle for the good old "shake and bake" routine. Blow the little, heathen, Fallujan bastards out of bed with high explosives and then set the rubble ablaze with tried and true white phosporus. Just like happened at Dresden. And if they survive that, then they'll be dieing for years from radiation poisoning and lung cancers from breathing in Uranium Hexaflouride and pulverized U235 from the D.U. coated shells your military has been
firing all over the place.

Chemical weapons, nope you must have that confused with Hussein's gassing of thousands of innocent Kurds in Halajba... you know when the guy wiped out 40 villages including women and children.

The chemical weapons Dick Cheney arranged for him to buy from George Bush Senior, you mean? Or was it Reagan? It's so hard to keep all your government criminals straight without a scorecard.

Anyway, do you really not know that Saddam Hussein was another Amerikan puppet? Or do you just refuse to acknowledge it? You know why he was hung for the massacre of the 168 villagers he was assassinated for? Because that was the only crime against humanity that he committed in which the U.S. was not an accomplice.

I don't need a new tune, Chavez's abrogation of Human Rights is scary enough. Tell me how can you possibly support the government takeover of a private television station.

I don't. But I also don't pretend that hyper-nationalism or the accident of where I was born creates some kind of moral high ground. King George the Pathetic is not good or moral or right just because he's some fat-cat, priviliged member of the American right-wing elite. And Imperialist Amerika has been engaged in meddling with foreign sovereignties since at least 1812-14. But the arrogance underpinning that imperialism was being expressed as early as 1776.

Venezuela and the Media: Fact and Fiction
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by Robert W. McChesney & Mark Weisbrot

To read and view the U.S. news media over the past week, there is an episode of grand tyranny unfolding, one repugnant to all who cherish democratic freedoms. The Venezuelan government under "strongman" Hugo Chavez refused to renew the 20-year broadcast license for RCTV, because that medium had the temerity to be critical of his regime. It is a familiar story.

And in this case it is wrong.

Regrettably, the US media coverage of Venezuela's RCTV controversy says more about the deficiencies of our own news media that it does about Venezuela. It demonstrates again, as with the invasion of Iraq, how our news media are far too willing to carry water for Washington than to ascertain and report the truth of the matter.

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If RCTV were broadcasting in the United States, its license would have been revoked years ago. In fact its owners would likely have been tried for criminal offenses, including treason.

Wow, you get worked up don't you.

What gives you the impression I was born in the States? I live in the States, but I don't recall ever saying I was born here.

I concur that no amount of crimes on the other side can justify mistreatment on our part.

Iraq Occupation General Petreaus agreesmnf-iraq.com>:

Some may argue that we would be more effective if we sanctioned torture or other expedient methods to obtain information from the enemy. They would be wrong. Beyond the basic fact that such actions are illegal, history shows that they also are frequently neither useful nor necessary. Certainly, extreme physical action can make someone “talkâ€; however, what the individual says may be of questionable value. In fact our experience in applying the interrogation standards laid out in the Army Field Manual (2-22.3) on Human Intelligence Collector Operations that was published last year shows that the techniques in the manual work effectively and humanely in eliciting information from detainees.



I'd like to note that the Administration has routinely wished to exceed what is laid out the Field Manual. And it looks like that the manual has been exceeded in many of our secret prisons and other off the book operations.