There is an essay in the NYT about bookstores called Hell Is Other Customers The article opens this way WHEN did bookstores turn into flophouses? Just try to navigate the aisles of any of the big-chain booksellers on a weekend afternoon, or a weekday evening for that matter, and you’re apt to feel like Vivien Leigh in that famous shot from ”Gone With the Wind” as she attempts to get through the streets of Atlanta, which are choked with the sprawling bodies of the Confederate wounded.
- Next Google Desktop Search Updated – Monitors Users Behaviors then Suggestions
- Previous America’s Pirate Wars
Recent Posts
- E-Books Can Subvert Book Bans, But Corporate Profit-Seeking Stands in the Way March 10, 2024
- Ten Stories That Shaped 2023 December 15, 2023
- War Sows Disruption at the National Book Awards November 16, 2023
- “No one else is saving it”: the fight to protect a historic music collection November 16, 2023
- No, I Don’t Want to Join Your Book Club November 9, 2023
- Iowa election 2023: Pella Public Library retains independence November 9, 2023
- A door at a Swedish library was accidentally left open 446 people came in, borrowed 245 books. Every single one was returned November 9, 2023
Recent Comments
- Examining Arab and Muslim librarians in fiction – Pop Culture Library Review on Librarian Combats Muslim Stereotypes
- St. Paul libraries face moment of reckoning – LISNews – News For Librarians on Secret and mysterious libraries
- Ellie on Just How Gross Are Library Books, Exactly?
- Prodigious1one on The Teaching Librarian Versus The Teacher
- Jason on Ten Stories That Shaped 2019
- centaurea on Libraries using Internet Trust Tools
LISNews Archives
- March 2024 (1)
- December 2023 (1)
- November 2023 (5)
- October 2023 (1)
- September 2023 (1)
- August 2023 (22)
- February 2023 (3)
- January 2023 (20)
- December 2022 (6)
- February 2022 (3)
- December 2021 (1)
- December 2020 (1)
- July 2020 (11)
- June 2020 (11)
- January 2020 (1)
- December 2019 (2)
- November 2019 (4)
- October 2019 (1)
- June 2019 (1)
- May 2019 (4)
- April 2019 (3)
- March 2019 (11)
- February 2019 (41)
- January 2019 (31)
- December 2018 (6)
- November 2018 (11)
- October 2018 (15)
- September 2018 (9)
- August 2018 (22)
- July 2018 (1)
- June 2018 (1)
- May 2018 (7)
- April 2018 (8)
- March 2018 (5)
- February 2018 (17)
- January 2018 (13)
- December 2017 (8)
- November 2017 (16)
- October 2017 (18)
- September 2017 (11)
- August 2017 (8)
- July 2017 (8)
- June 2017 (21)
- May 2017 (39)
- April 2017 (22)
- March 2017 (15)
- February 2017 (21)
- January 2017 (40)
- December 2016 (20)
- November 2016 (9)
- October 2016 (20)
- September 2016 (48)
- August 2016 (48)
- July 2016 (55)
- June 2016 (61)
- May 2016 (39)
- April 2016 (67)
- March 2016 (81)
- February 2016 (85)
- January 2016 (69)
- December 2015 (90)
- November 2015 (126)
- October 2015 (107)
- September 2015 (85)
- August 2015 (42)
- July 2015 (32)
- June 2015 (35)
- May 2015 (39)
- April 2015 (14)
- March 2015 (60)
- February 2015 (75)
- January 2015 (44)
- December 2014 (30)
- November 2014 (39)
- October 2014 (43)
- September 2014 (30)
- August 2014 (36)
- July 2014 (59)
- June 2014 (46)
- May 2014 (62)
- April 2014 (58)
- March 2014 (52)
- February 2014 (37)
- January 2014 (42)
- December 2013 (41)
- November 2013 (25)
- October 2013 (43)
- September 2013 (28)
- August 2013 (32)
- July 2013 (61)
- June 2013 (51)
- May 2013 (50)
- April 2013 (52)
- March 2013 (68)
- February 2013 (62)
- January 2013 (62)
- December 2012 (53)
- November 2012 (64)
- October 2012 (111)
- September 2012 (109)
- August 2012 (128)
- July 2012 (57)
- June 2012 (75)
- May 2012 (163)
- April 2012 (158)
- March 2012 (109)
- February 2012 (125)
- January 2012 (136)
- December 2011 (109)
- November 2011 (74)
- October 2011 (82)
- September 2011 (95)
- August 2011 (106)
- July 2011 (93)
- June 2011 (102)
- May 2011 (94)
- April 2011 (105)
- March 2011 (100)
- February 2011 (92)
- January 2011 (110)
- December 2010 (124)
- November 2010 (83)
- October 2010 (118)
- September 2010 (115)
- August 2010 (110)
- July 2010 (108)
- June 2010 (113)
- May 2010 (78)
- April 2010 (121)
- March 2010 (191)
- February 2010 (182)
- January 2010 (168)
- December 2009 (129)
- November 2009 (116)
- October 2009 (131)
- September 2009 (149)
- August 2009 (162)
- July 2009 (166)
- June 2009 (189)
- May 2009 (112)
- April 2009 (164)
- March 2009 (185)
- February 2009 (151)
- January 2009 (173)
- December 2008 (200)
- November 2008 (155)
- October 2008 (252)
- September 2008 (267)
- August 2008 (193)
- July 2008 (208)
- June 2008 (161)
- May 2008 (208)
- April 2008 (253)
- March 2008 (201)
- February 2008 (246)
- January 2008 (185)
- December 2007 (200)
- November 2007 (208)
- October 2007 (241)
- September 2007 (227)
- August 2007 (269)
- July 2007 (201)
- June 2007 (205)
- May 2007 (157)
- April 2007 (217)
- March 2007 (250)
- February 2007 (183)
- January 2007 (181)
- December 2006 (163)
- November 2006 (180)
- October 2006 (170)
- September 2006 (215)
- August 2006 (210)
- July 2006 (202)
- June 2006 (257)
- May 2006 (280)
- April 2006 (271)
- March 2006 (347)
- February 2006 (284)
- January 2006 (300)
- December 2005 (267)
- November 2005 (238)
- October 2005 (364)
- September 2005 (349)
- August 2005 (377)
- July 2005 (382)
- June 2005 (403)
- May 2005 (371)
- April 2005 (420)
- March 2005 (367)
- February 2005 (368)
- January 2005 (346)
- December 2004 (311)
- November 2004 (260)
- October 2004 (308)
- September 2004 (228)
- August 2004 (319)
- July 2004 (395)
- June 2004 (338)
- May 2004 (288)
- April 2004 (364)
- March 2004 (348)
- February 2004 (438)
- January 2004 (266)
- December 2003 (222)
- November 2003 (226)
- October 2003 (281)
- September 2003 (317)
- August 2003 (315)
- July 2003 (278)
- June 2003 (282)
- May 2003 (265)
- April 2003 (271)
- March 2003 (249)
- February 2003 (283)
- January 2003 (210)
- December 2002 (186)
- November 2002 (184)
- October 2002 (222)
- September 2002 (210)
- August 2002 (207)
- July 2002 (184)
- June 2002 (166)
- May 2002 (160)
- April 2002 (195)
- March 2002 (183)
- February 2002 (195)
- January 2002 (203)
- December 2001 (203)
- November 2001 (238)
- October 2001 (183)
- September 2001 (153)
- August 2001 (204)
- July 2001 (243)
- June 2001 (176)
- May 2001 (92)
- April 2001 (116)
- March 2001 (153)
- February 2001 (142)
- January 2001 (131)
- December 2000 (110)
- November 2000 (124)
- October 2000 (128)
- September 2000 (132)
- August 2000 (138)
- July 2000 (166)
- June 2000 (135)
- May 2000 (120)
- April 2000 (121)
- March 2000 (181)
- February 2000 (163)
- January 2000 (54)
- November 1999 (37)
Comment
There is a section in the NYT where people can comment about stories. There was an interesting comment to this bookstore essay.
The Sunday essay by Charles Taylor is what one you’d expect
when their are no crucial or critical issues in need of scrutiny;
let’s talk about how awful bookstores have become. A topic that’s worn
around the edges, yet one that inspires heat all the same no matter
how often
one grouses about it. Bookstores have become endurance contests,
almost as grueling as going to an airport. Often times I skip going to
a bookstore because my tolerance for great numbers of inert humanity
is less than it used to be. It’s become depleted, no doubt, from a the
number of years I’ve worked in bookstores.
I understand Taylor’s misgivings about bookstores being turned into
playpens for the lonely, the trendy and the socially inept, and I’ve
seen every sin of self-absorption he’s described and decried.
My particular beef is those who treat the bookstore as if it were a
library, a place to either sit and read from the shelf in stages,
dog-earing and chafing the item beyond saleability (pages bent down,
spines cracked, covers creased and curled), and or those researching
whatever complex and vaguely outlined project they’ve set for
themselves.
This second example is especially loathsome, since these folks,
students with no money more often than not, appear with their
backpacks and spend some time in three or four sections, taking books
here and there, and then settle in someplace, usually an aisle,
sitting on the floor, books open and turned upside down, with the
ersatz scholars copying whole paragraphs from texts they have no
intention of buying.
I have found more than one person copying pages with their cell phone
cameras, an interesting method of shop lifting. (Anyone seen someone doing this at a bookstore??) We’ve since banned
cell phone use in our store. There is nothing more exasperating than
the wounded-animal look these peculiar sorts give you when we remind
them (really!) that they’re in a bookstore, not a library. One girl
who’d been feverishly copying passages from an expensive philosophy
book from a pricey university publisher actually asked me this:
“You mean you don’t want me to take notes?”
“No. These books are for sale…”
“For sale?”
“Yes.”
“Just let me finish this one thing I started to write….” Her voice
took on the squeaking whine of noisy plumbing.
“This isn’t a negotiation. Put your pen away. Do you want to buy this book?”
“Do you have it used?”
“No”.
She was sitting in a graceless lotus position on the floor, holding
the book open on her lap
so that the binding continued to crack. I leaned over and took the
book from her, closing it and smoothing the front and back covers with
my hands. I only wish I had a snapshot of the clueless,
uncomprehending expression she had on her face as her mouth gaped open
and her eyes quite literally filmed over as if trying to grasp
something as abstract as the idea that we were a store and needed to
sell books. Sell books, not rent them, exchange them, lend them out,
let you read them to a grimy pulp, photocopy them, borrow them or any
other form of exchange that falls outside the boundary of a simple
cash or credit card transaction.
Less attractive are the world travelers who have the money to take
vacations in far flung corners and exotic niches of the globe, yet who
are so miserly in their preparation that they won’t purchase travel
guides but will instead spend up to an hour in your store copying
airline and hotel information from a current book onto index cards.
There is an industry term for this sort of clientele. Here it is in
the form of an inside joke. A cranky bookseller goes up to a young
wannabe hipster who’d been lingering long and uselessly in the poetry
section and say to him
“Young man, you remind me Jack Kerouac….”
The young poser’s eyes widen at the apparent praise.
“Really,” he says breathlessly.
“Yup,” says the cranky bookseller,”you’re both dead beats.”
Hell is for everyone
I spent 10 long years working for B&N around the South and even in Bezerkely CA. The policy of the company was that if people wanted to sit and read a book all day every day that was fine with them. The goal was to make the customers feel welcome, and so we weren’t “supposed” to hover over them and ask them to buy the book rather than copying passages out of it. It was just considered good customer service at the time. I’m not saying I agreed with it, and I definitely had my host of issues with this policy! It was not easy to “let it go” – and want to throw people to the curb.
What did annoy me was when people would ask if we had a copy machine (no, these books are for sale. Really? Oh.) Or the time that some yokel put his coffee cup above a stack of computer books and it fell and soaked them all, costing the bookstore $15,000 to replace the books – did we charge the customer? No, we had to cheerily say, “Oh, don’t worry about it, we’ll take care of it!” – or of course there is the homeless woman who hiked up her skirt and took a dump in the corner, or the drug user who missed his vein in the bathroom and caused his blood to splatter all over the walls. Whoever said working with the public wasn’t fun!?
Re:Hell is for everyone
I never buy books, or anything else, in stores where the staff seem to be watching my every move and are unwilling stand back and let me browse. I buy in places that want my business and don’t treat me like a potential thief or other sort of public menace.
People who are actually either damaging the goods or making the store uncomfortable or unsafe for other customers and staff are another matter. However, I note with some bemusement that you seem to be equating the customer who spilled the coffee and the woman who defecated in the corner. Most people would recognize a distinction between the two–one being an innocent accident, however expensive, and the other being a symptom, most likely, of untreated mental illness. Were the defecator and the drug addict really both covered by the same “smile” policy that applied to the coffee spiller? I have to confess I’m skeptical of that, considering the potential legal consequences for B&N if they were.
And as for the coffee spiller–you might want stop and think about why a profit-oriented business would have policy of gritting its teeth, smiling, and saying, “Oh, don’t worry about it, we’ll take care of it!” when a customer accidentally spills on the books the coffee they (most likely) bought at the in-store coffee shop. And why, in fact, the bookstore has an in-store coffee shop, in the first place. It’s not because they’re hoping to increase the percentage of their stock that’s unsalable and unreturnable.
Re:Comment
I think that the other of the peice in the parent post is being a bit harsh.
If someone damages a book, charge them for it. If someone is blocking an isle, ask them to move. If someone is being careless with a book, warn them that they will be charged if it is damaged. If they are taking photographs, tell them about copyright law and ask them to stop.
But what’s wrong with actually browsing in a bookstore? Is the bookstore experience inteded to be: enter the store knowing exactly what you want, walk right to that book without looking at– let alone touching– any others, proceed direcly to the check-out, and leave immediately? If so, why bother with brick-and-mortar stores at all: Amazon would be much more convient and user-friendly.
I spend a lot of time browsing in bookstores. I admit I have spent hours in the coffee shop skimming books that I didn’t intend to buy– but I have always been very carefull not to break bindings, crease pages, etc. So I am irritated with the equation of browsers with damagers. If I ever damaged a book, I would buy it.
And you know what? I spend a LOT more money in bookstores than I would if the stores I frequented discrouaged me from browsing. Simply because the amount of time I spend browsing means that I discover more books that I really like, and thus make more impulse purchases than I would with the “express no-browsing” bookstore model the article and the parent post seem to endorse.
In the parent post: presuming that the young lady studying philosophy was not doing any harm to the book, and was being considerate of any other customers who approached the area, I feel sorry for her. What was the harm in letting her take notes on a few passages? If she was being careless of the book or inconsiderate of the other customers, that’s another matter. But a situation that could have generated high customer loyalty– where she would be sure to use that bookstore when she DID have money to spend– was turned into exactly the opposite. What did the shopkeeper think he was accomplishing?
Metacomment
The parent post wrote: “presuming that the young lady studying philosophy was not doing any harm to the book”, which seems to ignore this part of the grandfather post: “holding the book open on her lap so that the binding continued to crack”.
Re:Hell is for everyone
Customer-sprawl in my part of upstate NY hasn’t reached the epidemic proportions described in the article, but they’re both busy. I’m sure it’s frustrating for management to have coffee spilled on the books–but there is no retail business on the planet where merchandise isn’t occasionally damaged by the public. And I like meeting friends for coffee at Barnes & Noble…and the bookstore likes it too, because after chatting or having a knitting meet-up, we all browse a bit, and usually buy a book we just can’t resist. Stores exist to sell things. The whiny author of the article sounds as if he has forgotten this basic fact. Maybe the store could admit one customer at a time? Or ask for references and a credit-check? Get real.
Re:Hell is for everyone
The whiny author of the article is, I think, a customer, not management–and not necessarily the kind of customer some of the other commenters would enjoy dealing with, since he seems to believe that the store should operate for his sole comfort and convenience, and if he has to step around someone else who’s shopping, well, that’s an outrage. How do you suppose he reacts when a store clerk has to tell him they just sold the last copy of the book he wanted, and it will take a few days to get more in? It’s not pretty, is my guess!
Prices or Not So Nices
Hmm…at least two of the “offenders” in this article are “young” so are these spoiled hellions just seeing how much they can get away with?
Do they figure that the corporate mammon can afford a few book trashings,,,and the trashees just don’t care?
or are some of these folks so overwhelmed with the cost of the books they need for class or the books they’d like own or the books they’d get from a library if they hadn’t all been checked out or ripped off, that takin and plunderin from the local bookstore, just seems like desparate survival?
Put the book trashers to work…make em pay back and/or earn those books the want or need!
Hell Is Other Customers
Maybe Wal-Mart will expand their book section–once all the mega bookstores are closed due to grumpy sales people. You also have to realize that chain bookstores don’t always employ people who actually know anything about books–they just sell what the distrbutor sends them. Just like Wal-Mart. They also contribute to the demise of the independent book seller. Sounds more and more like Wal-Mart.
Don’t like the mega book store? Go to your public library or support the independent book sellers. Both are more than happy to serve the customer.