There is a essay in the NYT called Heinlein’s Female Troubles that is an interesting essay about the Science Fiction writer Robert Heinlein.
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Butler, Missouri
Heinlein’s house in Butler, Missouri.
Sign in front of house.
Butler Public Library. Robert and Virginia Heinlein addition.
Friday
From the article Heinlein has also been attacked for being a misogynist – in large part for his 1982 novel, “Friday,” whose eponymous woman narrator enjoys being raped.
See this LISNEWS Journal entry from last year.
More unsophisticated claptrap
Starship Troopers was not a glamorization of combat, it was a brief and incomplete examination of the issue: Why does mankind fight. Bertram Russell asked that question himself in some of his philosophies, and Heinlein probably got it from him.
Partly true; Heinlein’s biggest problem at Scribners and Sons was his own editor, Alice Dalgliesh. She was one of those hide-bound idiots who couldn’t understand the cutting edge. When she spoke out against Starship Troopers Charles Scribner sided with her.
Which only shows to what length ignorance can go. The idea that Heinlein was a misogynist is absolutely laughable given that he never once portrayed a female character in the chauvanistic context of the mid-20th century. As for the part of Friday enjoying being raped, I replied to that in the comment linked to above.
The real “problem” with Heinlein is that he was very much a tragic hero; quite along the lines of Robert Bolt’s Sir Thomas Moore. He was passionate about his convictions: personal freedom and liberty, the United States, human dignity, et al, and he didn’t care who didn’t like that.
This is a grossly inaccurate summation of the plot point. In Troopers, women invariably wound up as pilots because of quicker reflexes. Rico wound up in the infantry because he didn’t meet the standards for any other trade. The summation about Have Spacesuit – Will Travel is close enough that I won’t quibble about it.
Oh, hogwash! Heinlein’s purpose in questioning these issues was to challenge the basic assumptions of society. One of which, I will grant you was the reactionary ignorance surrounding sexuality (addressed primarily in Stranger In A Strange Land), but in this case it was the one-man-one-woman idea of marriage (and equally restrictive definitions of family) currently touted by ultra-conservatives.
This is also grossly inaccurate. Friday was a bio-engineered product of a laboratory, and the primary issue in the book was simple, old-fashioned bigotry. APs were the niggers of this world. She wasn’t stigmatized for being born not human parents, but for not being a human at all.
Stuff and nonsense. She is a fully fleshed character and a human being. She has her own way of trying to get through life. Heinlein, did, I will admit, focus overly much on Friday’s sexuality as a coping mechanism, but I don’t see how that objectified Friday. I see that as writing that should have been better edited, is all.
Because the complexity of thought and questioning he exhibited in his earlier works grew increasingly complex as he explored the issues he questioned. Basically, Heinlein grew beyond your ability to understand his thought processes and the questions he was asking. This is not a barrier, however, Ms. Lord. You can catch up.
well, I don’t think it’s clap-trap
Coming to RH, not in historical perspective as the feminist conventions of the time, but as the author of classic works which were handed to me, as a young F&SF fan in the late 1980’s, with the breathless injunction “this book will change your life”, the sexism in his works overhwlemed me and filled me with disgust.
I remember first reading Stranger in a Strange Land, which was handed to me by fellow F&SF fans — all teenaged boys, as it happened — who told me how feminist and life affirming and freeing and what-have-you it was. And what I found instead was a book in which the women are all beautiful, sexy, smart, and completely interchangeable, as explicitly stated by VMS. Where these brilliant women, who are all beautiful, choose to dedicate their lives to that one, often ugly man who is their leader, their husband/father/son figure. Where their relationships are not about being an ensemble cast who interact with each other, but about their friendship and ultimate worship (if occasionally stroppy worship) of one or two central male figures.
This is when I realised what “feminist” means to a teenaged SF fan. It means he wants to be Jubal Harshaw, and unlike his unenlightened anti-feminist brethren, wants to surround himself with women who are brilliant as well as sex objects, who argue with him before they ultimately defer to him.
My friends grew up. The book, sadly, could not.
So sorry, but however rebellious and feminist RH was in 1961, the effects of many of his books on many modern women can’t be considered feminist. Honestly, it wouldn’t bug me, any more than it bugs me that, say, Horse and His Boy is horribly racist to modern eyes, or A Little Princess terribly classist. Those are both two of my favorite books in the world. But fans of Lewis and Burnett don’t constantly parade them as post-colonialist and marxist, while fans of RH do insist loudly that his works are feminist. And, sorry, no. Not consistently. Many quite the opposite.
Re:Friday 🙂
ISn’t it possible that one can read Heinlein for the story rather than getting (IMHO) bogged down in whether he was misogynist, feminist, radical, or elsewise? “Friday” is probably my favorite RH book for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the smart-alecky dialogue she spouts throughout the book. It seemed to me she exhibited a strength few people can muster in the best of times. It’s probably also what got me interested in spy novels
Sometimes, reading about fictional folks’ trials and tribulations is enough to make our own seem not-so-bad. I’m pretty sure that’s why fiction is considered an escape…
Re:Friday
Heinlein encourages the reader to think, which means that, for many of us, the first time through we read his books for the story, and the second, third, fiftieth times through, we’re reading at least in part for the ideas–and often arguing with a writer who held and expressed his ideas very, um, vigorously.
Heinlein isn’t a writer who invites a placid and uncritical response. In fact, he’d probably be spinning in his grave at the idea that a placid and uncritical response was possible! And that energetic and critical response from his readers, including his biggest fans, is often, in fact, energetic disagreement with some of the views he, or his characters, expressed.
Heinlein was born in 1907, grew up in Missouri, was an Annapolis grad whose naval career was cut short after just a few years’ service by TB. His own life experience colored what he wrote; the very different life experiences of readers born decades later in different social and political climes colors their (our) reactions to what he wrote. In some ways, it’s like the reaction to classic Trek: what was forward-thinking and liberating at the time helped in some small way towards building a world in which it now looks, to readers/viewers who came of age in that new world, sexist and limiting.
(Friday is your favorite? For me, it’s one of the few Heinlein works I’d class as “fun–once.”)