Turner writes “”Web site operators posting sexually explicit information must place official government warning labels on their pages or risk being imprisoned for up to five years, the Bush administration proposed Thursday.
A mandatory rating system will “prevent people from inadvertently stumbling across pornographic images on the Internet,” Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said at an event in Alexandria, Va.”
Story @ CNET
The irony …the irony….”
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Aren’t our prisons full already?
This was a bad idea when the Clinton administration proposed it and it’s a bad idea now. Five years for posting images?? We already imprison more people per capita than any other country in the world, and we want THREE new federal crimes based on porno? Shouldn’t we be reserving future prison space for terrorists and other violent criminals?
It’s not just the prisons that will be full. Our already overloaded courts system will be jammed full of people appealing the characterizations of their web sites.
To me, this is another feel-good, pointless power grab by the federal gov’t.
The Censorship Tripod
The censorship wagon is most often a tricycle, with the three items your mother always told you not to discuss at dinner time with polite society: sex, religion and politics. The Republicans may want to enforce morality on Americans with new laws and government powers, but they are only attacking part of the issue.
Nasty sex is easy to get. But what about hate speech and anti-religious diatribes? The mis-use and abuse of religion is always an easy target, although a difficult one to define.
Politics is another one. What about anti-American or anti-Bush pages? Michael Moore’s book was pulled from booksellers because the publishers thought it was unpatriotic to attack the president in time of 9/11. It would certainly make things easier for the Republicans if they could control the politics on the web as well as the sex.
And the end result, of course, is that if we had a squeaky clean American, it wouldn’t even be America.
Doomed to oppression
I’ve only quickly skimmed through the article so far, but I would say this measure will be doomed to become a piece of oppressive, totalitarian bullshit if does pass. By the U.S. Supreme Court definition of “indecent” in determining what material must be televised during the safe harbor, full nudity that does not expose the mons venus or the labial cleft, or the anus, and near full nudity for males, is not even indecent much less pornographic. Teats are not sexual, and neither is hair; even pubic hair.
What would kill this piece of arrant stupidity in a rational society, however, is that there is no hard and fast definition for pornography.
That this is a piece of arrant stupidity is illustrated by some stupid son-of-a-bitch deciding that certain portions of an image of a fully clothed person will be pornogaphic. That means every one of us will be walking pornography.
How long will it be, I wonder, before the women of Amerika will be made to wear the burqa so lusting, undisciplined, sex-crazed men don’t get hard-ons.
2 thoughts
1) If warning labels are OK for smokes, booze, and most everything in California (I saw a sign on an ATM that it was known to the state of California to contain carcinogens.) then it is OK for dirty pictures in my book. I don’t want kids smoking, I don’t want them drinking and I don’t want them looking at dirty pictures – heck it would be good if adults would avoid those things as well.
2) Hmmm…. all the dirty picture servers are in the US? Guess this idea is going to tank.
Gonzales can propose, but the courts dispose ….
As McCullah noted in his article, mandatory government ratings systems for speech seldom survive court scrutiny. Eight states have tried to use violence ratings on video games to restrict minors’ access to video games, and in every instance, the federal courts have struck down those laws on First Amendment grounds. Similarly, when local governments tried to use MPAA ratings as a means of barring minors from seeing certain movies, courts quickly struck down the laws as unconstitutional infringements on the First Amendment when those laws were challenged.
It’s also worthwhile to examine the fate of the Children’s Online Protection Act (COPA), similar legislation proposing fines and jail time for commercial publishers of sexually explicit content who do not use age verification methods to prevent minors accessing the explicit content. In its opinion, the Supreme Court noted that
Or, to sum up, it falls to the parents to do the job of parenting. The government cannot act in such a way so as to reduce adults to reading only what is fit for children.
Reno v. ACLU (1997) conveyed full First Amendment protections to the Internet. It’s not a broadcast medium. It has an on-off switch. That it may be in ubiquitous use doesn’t change those facts.
Re:Gonzales can propose, but the courts dispose ..
A warning label/rating is one thing but that someone can possibly be imprisoned for a dirty picture online is another. I have yet to hear of someone from Phillip Morris going to prison because someone still bought a pack of cigarettes despite reading the warning level. (or ignoring it) Although I have heard of cases where bartenders/bars have been held criminally liable for someone getting in an accident driving drunk after having left the bar……
Honestly how far do warning labels or ratings really go? We know what the hazards of drinking and smoking are yet people still do it. Someone will borrow a movie from a rental place rated “R” and then complain about the content. A video game is rated “M” yet a parent gets the game for a child and then complains how they didn’t know how violent/sexually oriented etc the game was. The parent didn’t understand the rating system and so on. Labels and ratings are okay I guess but they don’t solve one big issue. How much liability should rest with the owner of the product or place as in the example I gave of the movie, the video game? How much responsibility should lie with the consumer/parent? On a web site how do we hold someone accountable? We have filters does that release someone from responsibility? Aslo when it comes to sexually explicit images online different people have different views of what is explicit. For some it is something I could not even describe, for others it is a woman in a swimsuit.
I guess I will be more in favor of warning labels and ratings when people actually start paying attention to them.
Re:Doomed to oppression
Very eloquently put Fang Face.
When the women of America must wear Burks there would be a zillion websites created
in the theme of burkababes.com with a “little ankle†showing and then there would have to be filtering and then subsequent legislation proposals not to mention what we would do with the same sex spouses of gay couples…the mind boggles.
Re:The Censorship Tripod
Yes, nasty sex, nasty politics, and nasty religian…always a matter of opinion and the geographical region you live in…a lovely trilogy. Sex is the easiest target because the hypocrisy is easiest to cover up. It tends to be more private than politics and religion.
Re:Doomed to oppression
Oh, the U.S. can just do the same thing to fags and women who speak their minds that they do in Iran.
Hang them.