I know it's an accident...

...growing up around hunters in the family, I know these things happen. Perhaps hunting ought to be viewed through the same lens as driver's licenses for the elderly? At what point (and I don't want to debate the "gun control issue") does it become too dangerous for a hunter to hunt? Is it when he shoots one of his comrades, detaches one of his own digits?

Granted, the analogy of elderly driving vs. elderly hunting crumbles when one starts talking about the "necessity" of transportation vs. hunting for sport. What to do, what to do...

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age isn't the issue in most cases

Though I don't doubt it can be a factor. I don't think it was the case here but I do think many hunting accidents could be averted if they attached a breathalyzer to the trigger.

Pull

I say this because the guy is evidentally doing okay:

Cheney: "Pull...Oh, that was the last lawyer."

The VP was using a 28 gauge shotgun, you don't see those much. It is smaller than a 20 gauge but a bit bigger than a 410.

As an aside, I don't think age was a factor in this.

Gun Accident Fact

In 1913 when he was handling a hunting rifle, future two time Democratic nominee Adlai E. Stevenson, accidentally shot and killed Ruth Merwin.

Re:Gun Accident Fact

Is that why he didn't get elected?

Re:Gun Accident Fact

Hard to beat the former commander of SHAEF. In two tries, for that matter.

Cheney the ChickenHawk`

Above all Cheney is a ChickenHawk.
Chickenhawk: n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth.
If he hadn't had 5 deferments because he had better things to do, instead of serving during Vietnam...maybe he would know how to handle fire-arms. ChickenHawks like Cheney are more than happy to see other people fight the battles they begin.

Re:Cheney the ChickenHawk`

Yeah, that's why he accidentally shot the guy who walked in front of him: because he is a chickenhawk.

Then again, it is a full moon tonight.

I heard it was a Halliburton-engineered conspiracy to frame the Vice President because the President's State of the Union said "we are addicted to oil" and everyone knows that Cheney is really running everything because Chimpy McHaliburtonHitler doesn't have the intellectual candlepower. I also heard that Cheney was trying to kill the guy and then stuff his body inside a 1967 Oldsmobile Delta 88 and drive it off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island. I also heard he was trying to shoot some starving Head Start kid but hit some rich lawyer instead. Go figure.

The Last Time a Vice President Shot Someone....

...it was July 11, 1804 and he meant to do it. If you were around, you could have asked Elizabeth Hamilton about it.

2267 U.S. Troops Die & Cheney Plays Around

It's not a joke. 2267 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. http://icasualties.org/oif/
Mr. Anonymous-the point is that Cheney affects to be all macho macho going after little birds with a firearm he can't handle, surrounded by lackeys and servants, while REAL Men and Women with bravery and courage are fighting a war Cheney instigated.

Re:2267 U.S. Troops Die & Cheney Plays Around

I heard that Churchill enjoyed a few bottles of gin during the Blitz while thousands of civilians lost their lives. I also heard that Roosevelt played some cards throughout the Second World War when 250,000 Americans soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines lost their lives.

What is your point? Is it that you've lost all semblence of rational thought?

For me, it is a parlor game reading your nut-job posts.

What elderly driving?

The idea that the elderly are responsible for a greater proportion of accidents is a myth. Anaylsis of the data doesn't bear it out. I don't see why hunting should be any different. And why, pray tell, should we give any credence to the idea that hunting should banned or subject to greater control just because it was the VEEP who pulled the trigger? Bush fell off a segway, for Chris'sake? You gonna ban those because it was the president?

Re:What elderly driving?

Wow, when f-f is the voice of reason on a thread you know things are weird.

Re:What elderly driving?

And when anonymous patrons are taking cheap shots from out of the shadows you know things are like . . . normal. If you have something to say then get an account and accept responsibility for your utterances and actually engage in debate instead of petty sniping.

Never met a fact that it didn't want to suppress

NYTimes 2-14-2006.
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The vice president appears to have behaved like a teenager who thinks that if he keeps quiet about the wreck, no one will notice that the family car is missing its right door. The administration's communications department has proved that its skills at actually communicating are so rusty it can't get a minor police-blotter story straight. And the White House, in trying to cover up the cover-up, has once again demonstrated that it would rather look inept than open.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/opinion/14tues2. html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Cheney too old and feeble to walk? Too lazy?

The idea of hunting from a car is bad. It's dangerous because hunters would be getting in and out, guns pointing every which way, losing track of the wind, the weather, the angle of the sun, the energy level of the dogs. Hunting from a car is, for able-bodied hunters at least, completely antithetical to honest, ethical hunting.http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion /13866143.htm

Re:Never met a fact that it didn't want to suppres

You've become unglued. You are all over the place. As Dr. Anonymous, I feel that it is my duty to diagnose you with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunatley, I am not yet licensed in Oregon.

Troops die while Cheney's gets his macho kicks

Anonymous cowards can easily call names. Calling me "Unglued" is the SOP-calling all serfs in the cult of Bush/Cheney do when ytheir masters want thenm to distract people from the news.Ho-Hum.
--Kathleen McCook...not anonymous.
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As the story of the weekend's bizarre hunting accident is wrenched out of the White House, the picture isn't pretty: With American soldiers dying in Iraq, Five-Deferment Dick "I Had Other Priorities in the 60's Than Military Service" Cheney gets his macho kicks gunning down little birds and the occasional old man while W. rides his bike, blissfully oblivious to any collateral damage. Shouldn't these guys work on weekends until we figure out how to fix Iraq, New Orleans, Medicare and gas prices?
-Shooter Slips on a Silencer

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: February 15, 2006

Jay Leno on Cheney and more..

"I'm surprised Dick Cheney loves to hunt so much. The five times the government tried to give him a gun, he got a deferment." --Jay Leno"We can't get bin Laden, but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney." --David Letterman

Re:Cheney too old and feeble to walk? Too lazy?

There is a Feb. 16, 2006 NY Times article by Ralph Blumenthal that states that VP was not hunting from a car, contrary to the German professor's op-ed type piece in the Charlotte Observer. In addition, the same NY Times article mentions that Cheney's hunting party was using dogs, contrary to the German teacher's article.

From the NY Times article:

They had taken turns shooting, and now Ms. Armstrong was in the Jeep with her sister. About 100 yards away, Mr. Cheney, Mr. Whittington and Ms. Willeford were walking in a line in a low spot on gently sloping ground.

More from the article:

They were up before 8 Saturday and headed out in two groups, with outriders on horseback to flush the birds and about a dozen American pointers and Labrador retrievers.

So it appears that the old and feeble VP was a healthy enough to quench his bloodlust for quail.

Seems as if the good professor had his facts wrong and you foolishly jumped to several incorrect conclusions. Ouch! Facts can be pesky things. No?

Go ahead, have another helping of delicious crow.

Re:What elderly driving?

Calm down ff, if what kmcook posts are considered rational debate then heaven help us all.

Re:Troops die while Cheney's gets his macho kicks

Citing Maureen Dowd, now there's a winning move.

Isn't there some rule that whenever someone mentions Maureen Dowd as part of their argument, the argument is over because they've completely exhausted all their legitimate points?

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