Deeper into the Quagmire

Remember Gallipoli -- Remember 'Nam

Despair in Iraq over the Forgotten Victims of U.S. Invasion
By Patrick Cockburn
Independent U.K.

Sneering Bushites will simply dismiss this work because it is posted at, but this piece hints at a disturbing practice. American forces are inflating body counts again. Although the piece is primarily a look at the disinformation practices of pretending that civilians don't count.

The US army does not count the number of Iraqis killed since the invasion in March 2003. The most conservative figure for the number dead is 10,000 as calculated by private groups. It is rising every day. The US military claimed that on Tuesday alone it killed "100 militants" in air strikes on Fallujah on top of a further 33 people killed in fighting in Sadr City in Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defense Secretary, proudly claimed on Tuesday that US forces had, last month, killed between 1,500 and 2,500 Iraqi insurgents.

One hundred militants? That is a rather high number for a small battle, and ground attacks against Fallujah would be more akin to guerilla warfare than to a frontal assault across a battlefield. Even thirty-three dead sounds suspiciously high for such conditions. And how, I'd like to know, did the occupying forces verify that number from air strikes? If they did count bodies, how did they differentiate between the bona fide resistance fighters who were killed and any bodies of civilians?

Somebody explain me to how this is not Viet Nam all over again.

Meanwhile, there are still no living American casualties that anybody is speaking about.

Bush/Cheney Cowardice

What a pack of fucking gutless, spineless, ballless, mewling shitheads. Your presidency is so totally, fucking contemptible.

Cheney said:

It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States.

Edwards replied:

This statement by the vice president of the United States was intended to divide us. It was calculated to divide us on an issue of safety and security for the American people. It's wrong and it's un-American.

Gore replied:

The claim by Bush and Cheney that the American people must give them four more years in office or else be 'hit hard' by another terrorist attack is a sleazy and despicable effort to blackmail voters with fear.

They are going back to the ugliest page in the Republican playbook: fear. They're not even really trying to convince you to vote for George Bush. Their only hope, they've decided, is to try and make you too afraid to vote for John Kerry. It's the lowest sort of politics imaginable. It is not worthy of a presidential candidate.

Bush made no comment. But then, this kind of fear-mongering is as much to his advantage as the blatant lies of the Swift Boat Veterans for [un]Truth, and it's perfectly in keeping with Bush's character. Well, . . . actually: lack of character.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear: Al Qaida is going to hit the U.S. again. They will do it no matter who the president is. Having Bush will not create any incentive for bin Laden to refrain from striking, having Kerry will not create any special incentive for bin Laden to strike. It will, however, be to bin Laden's advantage to strike against a Bush administration. Bush can be counted on to react in a way that will be profitable to bin Laden and international terrorism. Quod Erat Demonstratum.


"Somebody explain me to how this is not Viet Nam all over again"

It is Vietnam, it is also WWI and WWII and The Korean War and the First Gulf. Its like almost every war we've fought. Its a war for freedom.

Oh and please don't quote Al Gore and expect to be taken seriously. Listen to some of the speeches he's given this year and you'll find he's just as rabid and hysterical as you are Fang.

You're hardly one to talk about who to listen to if you think Viet Nam and and the invasion of Iraq are about freedom. And War Bush 41 was as much about slapping down a puppet who got out of line as anything.