It seems silly to have to do but since the 'Librarians Against Bush' folk have a site up I figured people who came across it might decide to type in 'Librarians For Bush' to see if there actually were any. Its just something simple, maybe I'll put a messageboard on it, we'll see.


Yeah, can't seem to separate the radicals among us from just being "librarians"... but instead, they have to be "Librarians against Bush"!!

Good job Greg.

BTW, I assume everyone understands the historical significance of the "separation of church & state" statement. It ISN'T in the constitution, and was originally used by Thomas Jefferson to argue against the nation adopting one specific religious preference... see http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detai l.php?ResourceID=9

Thomas Jefferson had no intention of allowing the government to limit, restrict, regulate, or interfere with public religious practices. He believed, along with the other Founders, that the First Amendment had been enacted only to prevent the federal establishment of a national denomination [clip]

Great choice of citation!" WallBuilders is an organization dedicated to the restoration of the constitutional, moral, and religious foundation on which America was built"That's just the kind of place to find good unbiased information on church/state issues!I don't need to point out my sarcasm here do I?Here's One that says the exact opposite. Debating what the founding fathers wanted is pretty much pointless because anyone can find enough to support their position."Jefferson realized that a full separation of church and state did not exist yet, but he hoped that society would make progress towards that goal."

"WallBuilders is an organization dedicated to the restoration of the constitutional, moral, and religious foundation on which America was built"

While that may be true, they do have a huge library of original books and documents supporting their statements.

One interesting fact is that while we focus on Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, those two were likely the most secular of the whole lot who wrote the Declaration. A large number of the group were clergy...

Additionally, there was nothing in the Constitution preventing a state from have an "authorized" religion.

the “separation� phrase so frequently invoked today was rarely mentioned by any of the Founders; and even Jefferson’s explanation of his phrase is diametrically opposed to the manner in which courts apply it today. “Separation of church and state� currently means almost exactly the opposite of what it originally meant.

Here's another original document quote:

Jefferson's Reply

Messrs. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, and Stephen s. Nelson
A Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association, in the State of Connecticut.

Washington, January 1, 1802

Gentlemen,--The affectionate sentiment of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

* A cite for this letter could read:
Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert E. Bergh, ed. (Washington, D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association of the United States, 1904), Vol. XVI, pp. 281-282.

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