It be a PC thang

"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English," he said. "I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't.' 'Where you is.' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

Well, call me a racist, but Cosby is “right on� here. FWIW my African-American friend who happens to be a sociology professor agrees with Cosby too.

It’s time to knock off the PC nonsense friends. To our homey’s, pull your $100 Hilfiger britches over your boxers, position the bill of your retro Sixers cap over both eyes, and take a pass on the $400 Foamposite’s.

For the parental responsibility cadre here at LISNews, I would expect you to be the first to admonish these parents for another type of verbal abuse.

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Si, por supuesto

I have heard the comments of late from the Governor and former Governor that are tired of multicultural crap as the gov put it.


I have no problem with the people at McDonalds speaking espanol, but I can hardly understand some of the people who insist they are speaking English. They look at me when I ask for the third time what 'sewezize' means. Are they telling me they want to kill themselves or offering me a lagre sized McMeal?


I have ordered at McD's in Spanish in the States, BFD, those people have an excuse they are learning. The ESOL books are used heavily in our local library. Cosby was right, I'd never hire someone I can't understand - especially if they are making no effort to improve their diction.


With that I am off to Felipe y Letizia's recepción de la boda.

(It's good to be king and have your own world
It helps to make friends, it's good to meet girls
A sweet little queen who can't run away
It's good to be king, whatever it pays) T. Petty

Yo B

What up?

Being PC is one thing. Being bigoted is another entirely, and I'm pretty sick of the PC-camp telling me otherwise.

Not saying that being politically correct doesn't have it's place. But it has certainly been taken too far in some cases. And don't get me started about the hypocrisy of it all... just because you talk the talk doesn't mean you walk the walk.

And isn't walking the walk more important, B?

You had me until....

I understand and even partially agree with Cosby and speaking "proper English".

Tome, you went overboard with your "homey's" and how a guy wears his pants and baseball caps. What business is it of yours? Who is it hurting? Besides, do you think that Hillfiger is selling those $100 jeans to just young Black men?

PC/nonPC linguistics.

Yes, it's deplorable and I agree. But I'd also like to see Americans of European descent, and I'm not writing of those recently arrived from former-Soviet Bloc nations, cease speaking 'Murrican. There's usually an increase in the use of 'Murrican during election years with an emphais on "patriotic" themes and some theatrical fingerpointing.

Re:You had me until....

Tome, you went overboard with your "homey's" and how a guy wears his pants and baseball caps. What business is it of yours? Who is it hurting? Besides, do you think that Hillfiger is selling those $100 jeans to just young Black men?

Djsarge – the underlying theme here is parental responsibility. No argument, this crosses all color lines, however this article if specific to poor African Americans.

There is a correlation between hip hop vernacular and hip hop dress for many of these poor kids.

Thankfully, my family is blessed however $100 is still $100 for us. This would be 2 or 3 pair of jeans at Target for me, and perhaps 4 or 5 for my four-year-old daughter. No, we don’t do the Hilfiger thing.

As for hurting, this is an issue of priorities. Poor African American families have higher priorities than subsiding Madison Avenue image-makers via Nelly and 50 Cent. Developing reading and verbal skills for starters.

Re:You had me until....

There is a correlation between hip hop vernacular and hip hop dress for many of these poor kids.

Understand this. There is nothing wrong with hip hop language or fashion. Except that the majority culture does not understand it. The Hip-Hop culture is a distinct and legitimate one.

As for hurting, this is an issue of priorities. Poor African American families have higher priorities than subsiding Madison Avenue image-makers via Nelly and 50 Cent. Developing reading and verbal skills for starters.

I want to thank you for telling Black people what their priorities should be. Have you watched shows like "The Fabulous life of" and "It's good to be" (shows showing all the material things that famous people own). American culture promotes that type of life, shouldn't Blacks want that as well?

Most Blacks have reading and verbal skills. Are you suggesting otherwise or is the problem that you do not like what they have to say?

My objection was not with Cosby's statement. He has a point. It was when you decided to "pile on" and degrade the dress of many young Black men and do it under the guise of being anti-PC.

Re:You had me until....

Re: how young men (and it seems of all races and classes these days, perhaps because of hiphop culture) wear their pants. I face the challenge, when I'm in a public place and encounter one of them, of not walking up and cheerfully asking "Excuse me, Sir! Are you aware that your pants are falling down?". I can't help it! Tomeboy, I agree. Our household economy is such that $100.00 is $100.00 too.

Re:You had me until....

pile on?

Please.

How you elect to raise your children is certainly your prerogative. For my tastes, and for my child, all underwear belongs inside the pants. Pants, BTW, that will cost substantially less than 100 clams only to be fashionably ripped with a steak knife when taken out of the store.

Am I speaking to all hip hoppers? No. But for the poor African American kids, pimpin' up for clothes they otherwise can't afford and wrappin' without helping verbs is crippling any chance for them to move out and up. Where are their parents???

Please don't shift the discussion here. We are talking about poor African Americans, not all Blacks as you refer.

Re:You had me until....

Why do they have to be "pimpin" or "wrappin" Tome?

The issue of the educational/social dysfunction of poor Blacks is a very complex one. I will offer this, maybe the parents do not know any better. Maybe the parents are poorly educated themselves. We can discuss the many reasons why later if you wish. I can give you one for free now.

Why do you expect poor Blacks to adapt the cultural norms of white Americans when the larger society rejects them. You are rejecting these kids because you do not like the way they wear their pants or their use of slang. Of course, I do not support mixing Hip Hop culture in the workforce.

Re:PC/nonPC linguistics.

patriotic" themes

What does proper speech have to do with patriotism? Please explain.

Re:PC/nonPC linguistics.

It should have absolutely nothing to do with patriotism. Unfortunately, proper speech can be tossed aside when some wish to appeal to a certain demographic group. If we ask one group to speak proper English, we should ask it of all groups, shouldn't we?

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