FBI Now Wants To Monitor Snail Mail Too

Daniel writes "Looks like the FBI is hoping to go back to the bad old days of monitoring mail in the name of national security.Over 30 years ago, the Church Commission concluded that the US Intelligence Community abused the rights of many Americans and went on fishing expeditions. Why does anyone think they're not going to abuse their authority this time? How many times to we have to watch this reel?"

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Just for the sake of argument...

How many 9/11-type incidents occured prior to the Church Commission? How many after?

Re:Just for the sake of argument...

"How many 9/11-type incidents occured prior to the Church Commission? How many after?"Pearl Harbor comes to mind.Let's turn the question around. How many terror attacks, cases of sabotage, or even losses of national security information were prevented by the mass surveilance done by the FBI and other agencies since 1914?I'm not giving up freedom for dubious promises of security. There are too many countries from North Korea to Uzbekistan whose people have made that bargain and found nothing but government oppression.

Re:Just for the sake of argument...

How many terror attacks, cases of sabotage, or even losses of national security information were prevented by the mass surveilance done by the FBI and other agencies since 1914?

I'm saying: None. The same as the number of WTC attacks that were prevented by the Keystone Kops even when they had the information to prevent one right in front of them but couldn't be bothered to look at it because doing so would have affected their budget requests.

Which, by the way, was pretty much a reprise of the incompetence that allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor. And that was not an act of terrorism, that was open warfare by a foreign power against a military target.

I'm not giving up freedom for dubious promises of security.

Yes you are. You just won't admit it.

How many roads must a man walk down?

How many times to we have to watch this reel?

  • Once a generation a plague shall fall among them.
  • Every generation must taste of war once.
  • Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. (Over and over and over ad nauseum.)

I could go on but I'm sure I've depressed you enough.

Re:Just for the sake of argument...

I'm not giving up freedom for dubious promises of security.Yes you are. You just won't admit it.

Huh? The country as a whole is, but I'm not. Examples please.

Re:Just for the sake of argument...

I beg your pardon; that was a poorly qualified statement. Yes, the U.S. as a whole is giving up personal freedom for temporary security despite the efforts of the freedom loving majority.

And What About Your Kanadian Keystone Kops?

Yes you are. You just won't admit it.

And Fang will?

"Spying 101: The RCMP's Secret Activities at Canadian Universities, 1917-1997," by Steve Hewitt"

We're all gathered round the campfire Fang. Tell us about life as an anarchist and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service's systematic effort to put the kibosh on progressive types in Kanada. FOR 80 YEARS!!! Obviously the memories are still painful hence your reluctance to peck out one lousy syllable about your police state.

If it's easier, just do us the favor of a quick "cut and paste" from your diatribe about this kanadian konniving at the Lair. I'm sure you have one.

Many other things to do instead of expanding USAPA

Like improving port security instead of reducing the number of cargo inspections based on unverified trustworthiness.There are so many non-intrusive security steps we could be taking instead of methods that have been shown time and time again to abuse freedom without increasing safety.

Re:And What About Your Kanadian Keystone Kops?

. . . your reluctance to peck out one lousy syllable about your police state.

They're there; all you have to do is look for them. But you won't. Which is typical of you despite you're having bragged about your competence at looking things up.

Re:And What About Your Kanadian Keystone Kops?

Yes, yes, tomeboy...We know...Stalin killed more than Hitler...Now take a nap.

A little help....please

Sure, I'm a lousy librarian.

Now do us the favor of some Lair links to your thoughts about 80 years of systematic civil rights abuse in Kanada. You do remember the RCMP activities toward; feminists, radicals, gays, anti-war types, left wing subversives, professors, socialists, communists, fascists, 13 year-old kids, poetry readers, picnickers...?

With "Misohomonism" getting twenty-one screens of thought, surely the egregioussness of state-sponsored Kanadian snooping will certainly deserves as much??

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